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Should Heterosexuals Remain As Homosexual Guinea Pigs? / Genital Mutilation
As heterosexuals we have a right to practice exclusively heterosexuality. A homosexual deceiving heterosexuals clearly discriminates our right.
If you are born with a penis and are attracted to others born with penises that is what makes you a homosexual whether you get your genital mutilated or not. If you are born with a vagina and are attracted to others born with a vagina you are a homosexual whether you get your genital mutilated or not. They refer to these types of homosexuals that get their genital surgically mutilated as transsexuals.
I don't have a problem with homosexuals having sex with homosexuals, no problem at all. I am "not" ok with homosexuals deceiving heterosexuals because we are not homosexual, we are not bi sexual which means also that we are not homosexual guinea pigs. And yes that this does make me very angry because heterosexuals deserve to be respected for our sexual orientation.
Do you feel that heterosexuals deserve to be discriminated against for our sexual orientation thus kept as homosexual guinea pigs or do you feel justified in Criminalizing discrimination against heterosexuality?
Homosexuals have been going on and on for years claiming discrimination against homosexuality when what it really boils down to is heterosexuals don't really care about homosexuals having sex with other homosexuals or bi sexuals. The problem has been even since before being gay has become legal is homosexuals deceiving thus discriminating heterosexuals for our sexual orientation.
Hands down no contest this ought to be criminalized effective immediately.
Nice to see someone standing up for Heterosexual rights. While I wouldn't go so far as to say it should be criminalized, I do think they should be required to identify themselves appropriately on all legal documents.
It is the body, not the mind that determines a gender.
That would just open the flood gates to tax dollars being wasted on more heterosexuals being victimized. criminalization of genital mutilation is definitely what need be done.
If you meen gender realignment surgery, you are a sad fucked up individual if you want to crminilize a surgery which has made a lot of people very happy and able to live fulfilled lives
A homosexual male with a surgically mutilated penis doesn't qualify as a woman and a woman with a surgically mutilated vagina does not qualify as a man. Thence there is no such thing as a gender reassignment but here your are trying to for the illusion of this disgusting deception! What qualifies as a male gender of the human race is being born with a penis and what qualifies as a female member of the human race is being born with a vagina and that's a fact you ignore while you continuously attempt to make your delusions the issue all the while imposing ignorance towards this very fact like your brain is way to small to recognize something so simple all by yourself let alone with me here being kind enough to guide you.
I dont need your help thankyou i'm quite happy being open minded and non judgemental towards my fellow humans regardless of their, sex, sexuality or whatever. I just think its a shame that here we are in the 21st century and people are still close minded and judgemental towards those who are different.
Without so much as a shred of concern for the well being of heterosexuals you claim to be open minded. That is quite obvious.
I think it's a shame you're constantly attempting to make anything else the issue including your delusions because you are not able to contest fact and you are that selfish and ignorant.
If you are born with a penis and are attracted to others born with penises that is what makes you a homosexual whether you get your genital mutilated or not. If you are born with a vagina and are attracted to others born with a vagina you are a homosexual whether you get your genital mutilated or not. They refer to these types of homosexuals that get their genital surgically mutilated as transsexuals.
If you bothered to read my posts you would realise that I am pro the welfare of everyone, your the one who is deluded and trying to spread dissent and stir up hatred against homosexuals because you seem to think they are some kind of sexual predator!! You know nothing and keep trying to pass of your opinion as fact.
Take notice everyone, I mean it's obviously transparent but since this one thinks they are fooling anyone but them self here is their exposure.
This one imposes ignorance towards the fact that what makes a person a heterosexual is that we have sex with those born with the opposite sex genital we were born with.
This one imposes ignorance towards the fact that what makes a homosexual a homosexual is that they have sex with those born with the same sex genital they were born with.
Instead this one desperately scrambles to make their delusions the issue
Maybe not everyone is as homophobic as you, Homosexuals are not sexual predators anymore than heterosexuals are and even if this law was passed how could it be enforced? If someone decides they are not going to tell anyone about their surgery there's nothing that can be done about it.
I don't have a problem with homosexuals having sex with homosexuals, no problem at all. I am "not" ok with homosexuals deceiving heterosexuals because we are not homosexual, we are not bi sexual which means also that we are not homosexual guinea pigs. And yes that this does make me very angry because heterosexuals deserve to be respected for our sexual orientation.
so please do feel free to explain how that makes me a homophobe?
If you think you're fooling anyone, it's obviously yourself.
I assume from your debate description when you say Transexual and Genital Mutilation you are talkin about a sex change, if that is the case you do realise that when someone has a sex change say Male to Female they become a Female, normally they decide to do this because they have grown up thinking/knowing they are Female accidentally born as a Male so they undergo Gender realignment to put right an accident of nature.
My view is that for full honesty and openess in a relationship it is best for them to tell their partner they were born male and have undergone Gender Realignment but this is should not be a requirement by law and they are not Homosexuals who are trying to trick Heterosexuals.
There is no such thing as a sex change among humans, but there are homosexuals pretending to be the opposite sex hence the deception and here you are encouraging the deception with your obvious ignorance towards that fact as revealed by you attempting to pass it off as a sex change.
A female human is born with a vagina, a male human is born with a penis and that's exactly what makes a woman a woman or a man a man. what kind of women she turns out to be or what kind of man he turns out to be is a completely different story!
Again, since you quite obviously ignored this simple fact: If you are born with a penis and are attracted to others born with penises that is what makes you a homosexual whether you get your genital mutilated or not. If you are born with a vagina and are attracted to others born with a vagina you are a homosexual whether you get your genital mutilated or not. They refer to these types of homosexuals that get their genital surgically mutilated as transgender.
Criminalizing this deception is the only way to protect heterosexuals from discrimination from those who as you point out have a hard time even accept themselves for what they are in the first place. You obviously demonstrate no consideration for heterosexuals as you demonstrate with ignorance to encourage the "homosexual" deception.
Thanks for pointing out what a Homosexal is but funnily enough I already knew you obviously dont know that Transgender and Homosexual are not the same, someone can be Transgender without surgery, a lot of people are born and grow up knowing they are for want of a better phrase "in the wrong body", Gender Realignment surgery is simply fixing this accident of nature, making that person the sex they have always been on the inside. You obviousy have a problem with Transgender people, you call the surgery they undergo "Genital Mutilation", do you think that Heart surgery is Heart Mutilation?
Why stop at just making it a law that they have to tell people they have had Gender realignment surgery why not just make them wear a Pink Triangle on their clothes so everyone knows?
If you are born with a penis and are attracted to others born with penises that is what makes you a homosexual whether you get your genital mutilated or not. If you are born with a vagina and are attracted to others born with a vagina you are a homosexual whether you get your genital mutilated or not. They refer to these types of homosexuals that get their genital surgically mutilated as transsexuals.
again you support this deception by pointing out these homosexuals who have a hard time accepting the fact of what they are despite their denyial of what they were born with. All you are doing is deliberately ignoring fact and impose deception.
what makes a heterosexual a haeterosexual is not that we have sex with a homosexual or a homosexual with a mutilated genital.
the difference between a homosexual with a mutilated genital and a homosexual with a non mutilated genital is that one had a hard time accepting themselves for what they are and got their genital mutilated.
Heterosexuals are not guinea pigs for homosexuals with mutilated genitals no matter how delusional or ignorant you prove to be.
how is heart surgery relevant to this discussion? Does it encourage a homosexual to deceive a heterosexual? No it does not, you are just desperately attempting to make your delusions the issue.
clothes can be changed and don;t act like they can't if you want to be taken serious!
You call me delusional when you dont even know the differnce between Tansgender and Homosexual, repeating yourself will not help your argument, I used the Heart analogy as any surgery to put right a bodily defect is not mutilation. A Transgender person born with a Penis will see this as a defect wether people like you believe it or not, surgery to correct something is not mutilation.
You know what I meant about the Pink Triangle if you dont I suggest you read up on history, you might realise how bigoted you sound
yeah, you think long and hard about that and remember ignorance will get you nowhere on the foundation of this issue when it comes to interacting with me, a simple breeze
If that is the case you need to stop arguing from a position of ignorance and find out about the differences between Homosexuals, Heterosexuals and Transgender people and please dont respond by repeating your previous arguments, go away educate yourself then if you have something new to bring, bring it
You mean don't keep responding with facts you keep ignoring because you're not able to contest them so you can fool yourself to think your obvious delusions are what needs to be forced on the public ?
So much like homosexual activists to push ignorance towards fact while they try and force their lies and deceptions as the way it is.
I am educated well enough to know that homosexual activist lies and deceptions do not contest the fact that what makes a male a male is that he is born with a penis or what makes a female a female is that she is born with a vagina = fact you keep avoiding.
It is not a homosexual or homosexual activist delusional state of mind that determines ones sex.
I mean what I say, what you are saying are not facts, stop repeating your bullshit arguments, you are the deluded one come back when you have something new to say, until then I am done
Well as you so delusionally and vacantly claim yet again, if you mean what you say and you claim what I share are not facts then why are you not able to contest what I share with so much as a shred of validity?
Knowing Homosexuals and having met and spoken toTransgender people I know I have stated facts and I know what life throws at people who are different to the accepted "norm", all you have stated are opinions and have not backed up any of your arguments with proof. Just because you believe something to be true does not make it so.
...I really don't think the two sides really convey what I want to say. I feel this debate is focused on transsexuals (who, for all intents and purposes, are considered to be the sex opposite to what they used to be) than it is on homosexuals. There probably wouldn't be as much drama raised if the reverse were true.
This guy seems very uneducated. People don't change gender because they want to have sex with hetrosexuals. Perhaps sex is extremely important to the guy in the video (he doesn't look like the type that would have women queuing to get into bed with him). People change gender because of gender identity disorder.
There is a question whether someone who has changed genders then has an obligation to tell all their sexual partners that they were born the other gender. I think not. I don't want to sleep with anyone that has a criminal record, or that has ever had a STI. However, I have no right to know this personal information.
What does that heterosexuals are not the minority have to do with homosexuals deceiving thus discriminating heterosexuals for our sexual orientation like a bunch of dumb guinea pigs?
You act as if it's ok to make victims out of heterosexuals because there are less homosexuals than heterosexuals. How does that justify discriminating heterosexuals for our sexual orientation?
You are wrong. I am a liberal so I support freedom for everyone. It is the gays who are being targeted for discrimination. Heteros hardly ever are. Gays wanting rights do not violate yours. Get over yourself.
Well then feel free to share with me why you claim that I am wrong instead of just making up the claim yet offering nothing to support the claim. Nothing you share detracts from the fact that homosexuals are discriminating heterosexuals for our sexual orientation through these sick deceptions. Go ahead and show anyone who reads this how I am wrong with so much as a trace of validity? You avoid contesting fact then attempt to make your delusions the issue. Plain and simple.
While you certainly aren't being the most diplomatic about it, I will agree with you that there are gay guys out there who go out and do shit like you describe, such as discriminate etc. While I would appreciate a little tact, neither will I deny this happens.
But it is not the lot of certain 'liberal' minded people to go around fixing it. There are plenty of gays, if not most of the community, who don't condone this behavior.
Diplomatic, hey I have no problem with homosexuals having sex with homosexuals, no problem at all. I am not ok with homosexuals deceiving heterosexuals because we are not homosexual, we are no bi sexual which means also that we are not homosexual guinea pigs. And yes that this goes on makes me very angry because heterosexuals deserve to be respected for our sexual orientation.
"Just so long as you don't think you're the shit I'm fine with that."
what makes you would think that I think of myself as shit?
I am however the person who has decided to do something about this because I see no one else is, whether it be because no one else has the guts or perhaps the brains to do it. I obviously do and don't mind putting myself on the line to do it either.
Yes, and by even debating these issues with you I am supporting your stupidity. But here's the thing, sweetheart... he's entitled to his damn opinion. Is he breaking the law? No. And if he pisses off the wrong gay man, he's not likely to live long enough to break anything.
Don't bother with her, she has absolutely no concept of reality, everything she does, in her mind, is perfectly justified and justifiably perfect. There's no reasoning with people who refuse to think. They're only good for blowing off steam and watching them go around in a tizzy ignorantly displaying to the world their ignorance.
Sorry I didn't realize I couldn't speak for myself. But please, continue to be our loud, rather brash mouthpiece. You are doing wonders for the gay community.
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Oh good, my slow clap processor made it into this thing. At least we have that.
I'm saying you do not speak for me. Or any gay man.
You are not for freedom. You are for boosting your own ego.
And that, I cannot abide.
As for his 'homophobia', why should I care? For all I know, he could be trolling.
All I did was say his statements actually have some validity. It's not the majority of gays who do it, but still, there are sick people out there. Hetero and homo alike.
Honestly, I am amazed, so there are actually gay people with a sense of reason. I have spent years of facing discrimination from narrow minded homosexual activists and all these years later, you are the only one that has ever demonstrated somewhat of a sense of reason beyond the same old hogwash I have seen demonstrated by thousands I have interacted with. I still have my reservations towards suspecting that somehow you might be attempting to set me up for a slam.
Again I don't have a problem with homosexuals having sex with homosexuals, no problem at all. I am "not" ok with homosexuals deceiving heterosexuals because we are not homosexual, we are not bi sexual which means also that we are not homosexual guinea pigs. And yes that this does make me very angry because heterosexuals deserve to be respected for our sexual orientation.
so how does this make me a homophobe? and I noticed you are on my hostile list and I certainly didn't put you there nor have I the intent of declaring you as an enemy. I kind of feel sorry for you because it appears as though you demonstrate to have a very limited intellectual capacity.
"I am a liberal so I support freedom for everyone."
1. Please stop calling yourself a "liberal". You are giving us liberals a bad name through your misappropriation of that term. A true liberal allows for individual rights.
2. Please stop lying about supporting freedom for everyone. You don't support freedom for everyone at all. If you honestly supported freedom for everyone then you would also be supportive of freedom of speech, something which you very obviously do not support given that you have historically banned everyone with an opinion that differs to your opinions.
I disagree with everyone who opposes gay rights. But I'm not going to abuse them or refuse them their right to disagree with me. To do so is an act of right-wing fascism.
No. I am a liberal whether you like it or not. You need to get a life and move on. This petty beef is so immature. I have other things to do. I believe that I tried to apologize to you on your debate, but I am half asleep, so maybe I am wrong. I am sorry for fighting with you. Let's end this, huh?
I don't recall you having made any efforts to apologize for your abusive comments. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as Andy was nice enough to remove your offensive comments and it's entirely possible that any apology was removed with them.
Let's end this? Yes, I'm up for that. But I would ask of you two things:
1. Please refrain from making abusive remarks about me and other users of CreateDebate. Just as you have a basic human right to be respected and psychologically safe, so does everyone else.
2. Please respect peoples rights of free speech. You don't have to agree with everything (or anything) people say or think. But please allow them their right to have thoughts and opinions which might be different to your own. You should really only be banning people when they become abusive toward you. If they have an opinion which is contrary to yours, debate them. Look for the flaws in their logic and in their arguments and highlight them. Show them why you believe your argument/position is the superior position. But banning them or abusing them for their differing opinion contributes nothing to the debate.
No. I have the right to freedom of speech too. I have done nothing wrong on this debate. I am the victim, not anyone else. I have the right to choose what happens on MY debates. If you do not like it, make your own debate.
I haven't accused you of doing anything wrong in this debate.
I am the victim, not anyone else.
Can you show me some evidence of you being the victim? Bear in mind that a lot of people might be inclined to express anger toward you because you do have a habit of being verbally and emotionally abusive toward other people.
> I have the right to choose what happens on MY debates.
Yes; but the way that you manage that means that they aren't really debates. Debates, by their very definition, encourage opposing points of view. What you're doing is actively discouraging opposing points of view, therefore it's no longer a debate.
Let me ask you something, why do you want to use a debating website? Do you want to take part in debate or simply change how everyone thinks about an issue?
It does take two to tango. But what I'm saying is that maybe you don't always recognize it when people respect you. That I or someone else might disagree with you or have an opinion that is different to your doesn't mean that we don't respect you. In fact, I would go so far as to say that I feel comfortable expressing difference BECAUSE I respect you. If I thought that you were emotionally weak or too immature to deal with people disagreeing with you, I'd probably just pretend to agree with you all the time or ignore you. But, as it stands, I believe that you're a big grown-up girl, that you're capable of being emotionally strong, and that you can deal with disagreements without resorting to immature rants and abusing people. That's respect right there.
OK. I was a little bit suspicious that that might be the case.
Please speak to your treating physician about having a medication review, keep far away from any drugs (esp. amphetamines), and please pay attention to your sleep cycles. There's a lot of research now highlighting the importance of maintaining a routine sleep cycle in reducing relapses.
I, as a new member, having had no previous affiliation with you, make a debate supporting a particular view. You, come and the very first thing you do is disparage my point of view, and call me disgusting, and akin to a rapist (not specifically, but it was most definitely implied)
I attempt to remain respectful to you, disagreeing with your comment and providing, what I considered to be fairly logical reasoning to refute your points.
You refuse to address my arguments, and attempt to shout me down with volumes of the same repeated message and insults, and insinuations in different words over and over, providing absolutely no evidence for your accusations save your own word only, and entirely ignoring my own, and even threatening to report me.
When I calmly state you are being detrimental to the debate and give you a chance to stop or be banned, you then start spamming the same message over and over.
The evidence is all there for anyone who wants to see. Clearly, you are the one who does not respect people first.
Okay look, I got upset because my father molested me and I loathe the idea of sexual activity between adults and children. I have sent a personal apology to your inbox, so please look. I suppose that child marriage is okay if there is no sexual contact until the child is an adult.
Democrat Liberalism, AKA Progressive-ism AKA central planning: "Freedom for everyone!"
-except
oil companies, gun owners, gun businesses, Christian churches and organizations, airplane passengers, small business owners, proponents of child marriage, property owners, taxpayers, conservatives, alternate media spokespeople, parents, unborn fetuses, and the majority of private citizens.
Republican conservatism: Fascist, antichoice, ethnocentrist, antiwoman, against the freedom of belief for everyone that is not Christian, procorporate, antiperson, and antihealthcare.
What does minority vs majority have to do with being victim of discrimination? A minority can discriminate just as easily as a majority, the majority just has the ability to put more force of law behind their discrimination than a minority does.
Oh wait, I forgot, you're a Liberal, no minority can ever possibly harbor discriminatory feelings, or act on them, in your minds. By virtue of being a minority they MUST be entirely innocent and entirely persecuted by the majority. All minorities are victims simply because they are minorities. Well, all minorities except for the ones you dislike and discriminate against yourselves.
